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Scooby Steve
30-01-2014, 06:51 PM
Japanese maples, would be great to here which variety you guys/girls like/recommend for the following garden. We are currently looking for a feature tree for a garden in Bayside Melbourne. I was thinking Acer Palmatum Seiryu but was worried about leaf burn with this variety as the spot gets full afternoon sun. Sandy soil. Looking at a height no more than 10 metres tall, around 3-5 would be ideal, width not really an issue. Thanks for any ideas.

Fred's mowing
30-01-2014, 07:42 PM
Japanese maples, would be great to here which variety you guys/girls like/recommend for the following garden. We are currently looking for a feature tree for a garden in Bayside Melbourne. I was thinking Acer Palmatum Seiryu but was worried about leaf burn with this variety as the spot gets full afternoon sun. Sandy soil. Looking at a height no more than 10 metres tall, around 3-5 would be ideal, width not really an issue. Thanks for any ideas.

Yer , forget the Jap Maple, watched a few fry (total defoliation) over the last few weeks.
Anything with thin textured foliage will just burn.
Deciduous or evergreen ?
Small tree (prominent branches) or large shrub (more solid appearance).
Prolific flowering?
Native or exotic?
Cheers Fred.

RSM-Gazza
30-01-2014, 07:58 PM
Ok this species aren't gona grow to the height, but can be found higher in height.

But two weeks ago we had 40 -44 deg for the whole week and I had no leaf burn.
This week we are getting 39 -42 all week and a small amount of leaf burn has appeared today as pictured.
it is irrigated by a below the surface via a drip system running morning and late evening.
Being a Flemings Acer Dissectum Sekimori.
Tree can be found progated to grow as a larger tree to 3 to 4.5metres , but finding such may be the challenge.
But even though the height of the tree may not be what your after along with being a fine leaf ornamental, the leaf burn resistance in our inland heat can be a point of interest.

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My neighbours Maple has zero leaf burn, just had a look under it to see if it had tag attached but couldn't find it, it is getting dark.

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Scooby Steve
30-01-2014, 08:30 PM
Yer , forget the Jap Maple, watched a few fry (total defoliation) over the last few weeks.
Anything with thin textured foliage will just burn.
Deciduous or evergreen ?
Small tree (prominent branches) or large shrub (more solid appearance).
Prolific flowering?
Native or exotic?
Cheers Fred.

Do you think they'll bounce back Fred, customer really has there heart set on a Japanese Maple, this look is what they were after https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Acer+Palmatum+Seiryu+au&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=MybqUqzTJI3jkAWgpIHICw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=667#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=pkmT9T6LlrucjM%253A%3B6dHF7jm8Ge4NbM%3Bhttp% 253A%252F%252Fwww.dinsan.com.au%252Fmedia%252F9536 4%252Facer-palmatum-seriyu-land.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.dinsan.com.au%25 2Fplants-products%252Fplant-database%252Facer%252Facer-palmatum-dissectum-seiryu.aspx%3B600%3B400
i was going to combine it with some acacia mini cogs, the other plants i haven't decided on yet.

If we don't choose the Maples, it could be a deciduous or evergreen, they would prefer a small tree, doesn't have to flower, can be native or exotic.

Thanks for the info Garry, good to hear yours have made it through the heat so far. Is that a bangalow palm in your neighbours yard, very nice.

Anyone else feel free to add your opinion.

I also like the crepe myrtle https://www.google.com.au/search?q=crepe+myrtle&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=JyrqUvOtIon_lAX4-4G4Dw&ved=0CJcBEIke&biw=1366&bih=667#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=rVPYmWNlDUoa5M%253A%3BKFgnZP1gxYk21M%3Bhttp% 253A%252F%252Fwww.mittagonggardencentre.com.au%252 Fsites%252Fdefault%252Ffiles%252Fimages%252Feca49b a7831ad36f.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.mittagongg ardencentre.com.au%252F%3B800%3B600.

bb1
30-01-2014, 08:40 PM
I have a body corporate which has about 40 Japanese maples, and in the 6 years I have being doing it, they have only ever lost one, they got through the 2009 heat waves (Black saturday). And have shown no issues with the heat the last few weeks, I have never seen tham stressed.

As for Crepe Myrtles the colour display from these is very impressive, and again have not seen them really struggle. The same body corp is in the process of putting these in as welll, but a number of my clients have them, if I had room here I would out a couple in.

RSM-Gazza
30-01-2014, 08:43 PM
Bangalows are in my front yard, have another three sets exactly the same terraced in the backyard cnrs, not cheap and they took a while to get used to our frosty winters and intense Jan/Feb climate.

Got love the crep myrtles too, we humans can put up with the brief mess they make and admire their beauty. My fathers house in Wodonga has two large Crepes with no heat burn.

Redeye
30-01-2014, 09:34 PM
love palmatums, beautiful trees - the 30-40 deg heat with high humidity doesn't seem to faze them around here

PaulG
30-01-2014, 11:24 PM
Corymbias, Largerstroemias, or Betulas. All showy trees in their own right and offer something different most of the year whether it be foliage, flower or bark.

Scooby Steve
01-02-2014, 07:23 PM
I was at the wholesalers today looking at Maples and heard the guy talking to a customer, saying how they don't burn then the customer bounces back with yes they do why do you think i'm here.

So which is it? Or is it case of some species burn others don't?

PaulG
01-02-2014, 08:04 PM
If it's hot enough anything with a fine, light leaf like the Jap Maples will burn.

geoff
01-02-2014, 08:48 PM
I was at the wholesalers today looking at Maples and heard the guy talking to a customer, saying how they don't burn then the customer bounces back with yes they do why do you think i'm here.

So which is it? Or is it case of some species burn others don't?
well he was obviously the trainee scoob....i have several customers with well established Acer Palmatum and they all burned ,dropping their leaf ....a bit of water and they will respond but they certainly dont look pretty i must say.....a couple of my smart customers threw a shade mesh sail over the tree with this hot weather and they faired a bit better,,,,one of my customers has a slatted pergola over them and they still fried,that hot 42 wind gets them everytime ..thats Melbourne

Scooby Steve
03-02-2014, 08:59 PM
Took special note of a new customers Japanese maple today that cops full sun, it's coping ok the leaves are burnt on the edges but new shoots are plentiful, so i'm thinking i might risk it. Cheers for all the replies.

Fred's mowing
05-02-2014, 07:42 PM
Scoob, since you brought this up, Ive been checking heaps, in different locations, with different orientations
Some are barely blemished, some half fried, some totally fried.
I think there are many factors relating to how they fare, including variety.
Because they're quite expensive, if you're gunna get a sizeable specimen, perhaps you should talk to a grower.
Maybe Ronnebys or another advanced tree farm.
Cheers Fred.

Scooby Steve
11-03-2014, 05:09 PM
Talked to a grower and he basically said some are more prone to getting burnt/scorched than others, i've done some research and there are a couple of varieties that will take full sun. Thanks for the opinions good to get a variety of responses, cheers.

johnnie5
13-03-2014, 03:48 PM
have a couple at my place

1 is far larger than the other , unknown age as before i was here

they get scorched once or twice a year and bounce back

PaulG
14-03-2014, 12:35 AM
Bugger. Got one at a new property I'm doing. Looked at the tag today but forgot to write down the variety. Will get it next week.

imoww
27-05-2014, 04:54 AM
We planted a weeping jap myrtle a few weeks ago in a Bowral.
The leaves look like they have been scorched my the sun.
There are little new buds coming out all over the branches.
Hopefully this is a good thing

DavidS
28-05-2014, 07:34 AM
It should be fine as they are a deciduous tree. New buds are always a good sign.