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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodchip View Post
    Surely there is an area where you can go directly via ladder to the upper roof?

    Would be a weird looking roof....??
    dang edits not working so i cant add this in . . .


    woody, you CANT work from an extension ladder AT ALL - its not about 3 points of contact, youre just NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT

    so its a platform ladder to work from for lowset stuff (legal to do etc) or one of the other ways i said - but BY RIGHTS if you are working on one level at a sufficient height to fall to another level and hurt yourself YOU MUST BE HEIGHT TRAINED.

    read the posts and info i posted on the other thread.

    search for WHS docs in your state (if not in QLD) and see if youre the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happymowin View Post
    ok, say i asked a qualified tree lopper how to use the equipment, and he knew very well i wasnt trained, then i went and hurt myself doing the work - do you think many treeloppers would tell you anything (if youre untrained?)

    see where im at with this?

    the KNOWLEDGE alone isnt a lawful way to do this job, you MUST hold the training certificate - by LAW.




    or another one, how about if i asked lets say Paul G (sorry to use your name mate) how to apply a really BAD poison - he has the traiing and i dont, what would his answer to me be?


    see what i mean?

    the knowledge is dangerous without the training - and if someone ends up crippled i'd rather not have had a hand in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happymowin View Post
    A customer of mine has a second story built right in the middle of the first floor which has a 22 degree pitch. So you cant even just walk on the first floor up to a spot where you step up to the next floor. If that makes sense.

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    I think it's called a cape cod.
    I used to use the gorilla platforms with the adjustable legs and put a plank between them.http://www.bunnings.com.au/products_..._P0861589.aspx
    On some tiles you need a piece of wood under one side of the legs and slide a tile back and tie the gorilla to the rafter/baton.
    Then when your up there you feel safe and you can work comfortably with a harness.


    If you want to gain access to the upper roof from the lower one tie the bottom rung of the ladder to the baton about 2 tiles up from the bottom of the ladder. Also tie the top of the ladder to the baton on the upper roof as well.
    You may need a piece of wood under the legs if they are brittle tiles or your ladder doesn't match up with the tile ribs.

    Disclaimer attached....at your own risk.

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    Thanx guys.
    Cheers Fred.

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    i SEE you fred !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by South East Mowing View Post
    The question is - how do you safely place a ladder on tiles to access the second floor? Tiles can be brittle and you wont know until it's to late even with the second person there for support
    that's why you have the 2nd person not to hold the ladder but to place the ladder on so you don't damage the tiles
    Anything Ian says may or may not be garbage, it may also be his own opinion or it may not be his opinion at all, it may just be something he felt like stating anyone following his advice does so at their own risk and may be doing something Ian would actually advise against.
    And if you don't like what Ian has to say use the ignore function if you don't know how ask i will gladly tell you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cranbourne Lawnmowing View Post
    But wouldn't you be better off letting others know how to do it safely before they try it the wrong way. Ultimately that is what they will do.
    no it helps cuts down on the competition
    Anything Ian says may or may not be garbage, it may also be his own opinion or it may not be his opinion at all, it may just be something he felt like stating anyone following his advice does so at their own risk and may be doing something Ian would actually advise against.
    And if you don't like what Ian has to say use the ignore function if you don't know how ask i will gladly tell you

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    You could take your shoes off and put them on the ladders feet..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred's mowing View Post
    Anyone else?
    Cheers Fred.
    Hi Fred,
    I was watching a medical show on the tv last night and a brain surgeon was actually showing people how he did the operation. Can you believe it!!!
    now we will have people running around doing brain surgery unqualified

    I saw this other show on tv and there was another guy making out he knew how to do brain surgery but when they asked him he didn't know how to do it!! I dont think he was a brain surgeon at all

    Anyway to your question and I am sure it will make no difference to you the answer cz people of our age did not get this far down the track of life working at height without those two essential words "Common Sense"

    We all know about harnesses and how to fix tops of ladders to roofs that's not brain surgery. to stop the bottom of the ladder I have seen lots of devices over the years in the building trade similar to this picture, a lot of them have been home made but of a similar nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by happymowin View Post
    You probably could see Fred from there Happy
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    I was watching a powerline worker work from an extension ladder yesterday at normal height of a power pole. The top of the ladder was attached, but the bottom was not, just on the road. He had a lanyard around the pole and the ladder. If the ladder had twisted the lanyard would not have saved him, he would still go straight to the ground. Makes me wonder, out in the public, large company...

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    Hi Happy,

    I'll have another read of the other discussion tonight,.... when you say you MUST be height trained, does that apply to sole traders? or only that you have to get staff "height trained" if you have them?

    If everyone must be "height trained", that means every electrician, carpenter, builder, roofer, antenna bloke, window cleaner, arborist, pretty much most workers would need it!, I have never heard of the requirement. Naturally I want to do the right thing,(or at least like politicians....be seen to be doing the right thing), I better look into it,
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    hi woody

    applies to EVERYONE (incl sole traders) who works on one level where theres a danger of falling to another level and getting hurt - even if those levels are only 1m apart - theres no "2.4m / 3m rule" anymore

    you cant work off "straight ladders" leaning against the building AT ALL

    and you cant operate 2 handed equipment off a stepladder cos you must maintain 3 points of contact, and cant count your butt or your body as one.

    you CAN use a platform ladder with 2 handed eqpt.

    then theres all your rules and regs about trestles and planks, you cant use a plank on something thats ot designed to take planks - cant use em on stepladders, platform ladders, and above certain heights and with certain work types, must use 2 planks not one, and sometimes you must have handrails attached.

    youre right all those trades should be height trained.

    my instructor told us of a mowing contractor working for the govt he knows personally who was made to do a heights course, cos the enbankments he mowed were over 20 degrees slope.

    i provided links to the govt WHS docs in that other thread, along with which oages to find this info on.

    it MAY vary state to state, as theres not yet a national approach, but its getting close apparently.

    so check in your own states WHS docs (im in QLD, so thats what i base my knowledge on)

    cheers

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