Glyphosate, Good for what ails you

[lifestyle]

I found the report i mentioned in a previous post...

Source: http://www.mcs-global.org/Documents/...20Brochure.doc


ROUNDUP AND THE ENVIRONMENT
Roundup has been found to be highly deadly to tadpoles when used in recommended concentrations, suggesting a possible cause for the decline in frog species world wide. Glyphosate containing products are acutely toxic to fish and have been shown to kill beneficial insects such as parasitic wasps, ladybirds, lacewings and predatory beetles, and to affect earthworms, beneficial fungi and soil bacteria. Various insects such as butterflies, whose larvae feed on weeds, can be affected by the loss of food sources due to herbicide use. Glyphosate has indirect impacts on birds, which depend on plants for shelter and food, and the insects which feed on them.

Some weeds, such as annual rye grass in Australia, are reported to be developing natural resistance to glyphosate, making the herbicide ineffective.

THE INTERNATIONAL AND LOCAL SITUATION
In the USA and Canada growing numbers of local government authorities have stopped using herbicides in street maintenance and have even placed local bans and other restrictions on the private use of pesticides and herbicides. Some governments have developed education campaigns on the health problems associated with herbicides. In the USA at least a dozen states have introduced pesticide legislation requiring prior public notification of commercial pesticide and herbicide applications. The Danish government is considering restrictions on Roundup after it was found to be contaminating groundwater used for drinking. The City of Auckland, New Zealand, only uses herbicide when no alternative is available. In Western Australia the Cities of Fremantle and Nedlands have stopped using herbicide routinely in street maintenance due to residents’ health concerns but most local governments in Australia simply ignore the problem.

MORE INFORMATION
Residents Organising Against Roundup has recently formed in SA and is already active in NSW.
Glyphosate Fact Sheet Part 1 & 2.

http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/R...tsheet-Cox.htm
Ontario College of Family Physicians Pesticide Review

http://www.ocfp.on.ca/English/OCFP/C...efault.asp?s=1

Our Stolen Future: Exposure early in life to herbicides and pesticides.

http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/NewSc...4salametal.htm

BeyondPesticides http://www.beyondpesticides.org/lawn/activist/index.htm

GENERAL SYMPTOMS OF GLYPHOSATE EXPOSURE
Although glyphosate is considered to be less toxic than most other herbicides, it is still a serious poison.

Acute health problems following unintentional exposure to glyphosate include:

● Eye Irritation
● Painful Eyes
● Burning Eyes
● Blurred Vision
● Swollen Eyes, Face And Joints
● Blisters
● Skin Rash
● Rapid Heartbeat
● Heart Palpitations
● High Blood Pressure
● Chest Pains
● Coughing
● Headache
● Nausea
● Facial Numbness
● Burning Sensation On Skin
● Itchy Skin
● Tingling Skin
● Recurrent Eczema
● Fatigue
● Breathing Problems


WHAT HAPPENS TO THE GLYPHOSATE WHEN IT IS SPRAYED AROUND OUR STREETS AND HOMES?

Monsanto claims that Roundup “has no residual soil activity” is “completely biodegradable” and “sticks very tightly to the soil”. They also advise that “children and pets should be kept away from the sprayed area until the weeds are completely dry” but that “this is simply to avoid transferring Roundup from the treated weeds onto desirable plants”. But how accurate are these claims?

Glyphosate is considered by independent researchers to be a persistent environmental pollutant. Glyphosate residues have been found in lettuce, carrots and barley planted one year after glyphosate applications. Glyphosate can also evaporate from certain soils, with up to 80% of applied glyphosate evaporating within a two-hour period. The fact that glyphosate is both highly persistent and relatively mobile in soil increases its toxic potential. In addition, glyphosate is always used as a spray and the problem of spray-drift cannot be avoided no matter how carefully it is applied. Glyphosate can be detected in the urine of farm children who were present when it was mixed or sprayed. Due to their small size and immaturity children are at increased risk of damage from herbicides.

People with chemical sensitivity report severe reactions to minor spray-drift and glyphosate residues. Even walking in an area that has been sprayed several days earlier can make some people sick for weeks or months with allergy-type symptoms.

MONSATO’S HISTORY OF DECEPTION
Laboratories used to assess the safety of glyphosate have been associated with fraudulent practices. In 1991 allegations of falsified data by the US Environment Protection Agency resulted in criminal charges and multi-million dollar fines. In 1996 and 1998 Monsanto was successfully sued by the New York State Attorney General for “false and misleading” advertising regarding the human and environmental safety of Roundup.

[glassngrass]

Lifestyle

Chemicals seem to be your 'bug bear' and preaching their 'evils' more than just a hobby.

How about a supplying a list of 'safe', cost effective alternatives to the most common chemicals we use today? Names of these, estimated cost and supplier details would be most practical.

Without these we will keep doing what we have always done!

No doubt you would like us to buy these (from you!)

Until then, Round up and I will remain the best of freinds.

[geoff]

agree david ,effective solutions to round up would be great and i dont want a long list of salt and stuff need practical alternatives if avaviable at reasonable costs
round to remain especially used the right way

[Hustler]

Here here i will still use round and pestercides as i know they work and i use full PPE (Personal Protecion Equipment ) then you dont get all the Symptons You have listed do it right the first time then it does not have to be done again
regards Hustler

[lifestyle]

Here here i will still use round and pestercides as i know they work and i use full PPE (Personal Protecion Equipment ) then you dont get all the Symptons You have listed do it right the first time then it does not have to be done again
regards Hustler

Thats good! Your protected. But what about the kids playing on the freshly sprayed lawn/garden. Or the Pet cat that catches the drift then goes and sleeps on bed.

[Hustler]

if you do it to ohs standards and your own ohs plan you should not afectt any one unless they are stupid or carless .you should not spray when its windy if you look up the beafort wind scale it will help you understand when and how http://www.health.vic.gov.au/pestcon...news/windscale.
regards hustler
Ps i hope this helps all contractors out there but i know we all try to spray when we can if we went by the scale we proberly would never get the right conditions

[lifestyle]

Lifestyle

Chemicals seem to be your 'bug bear' and preaching their 'evils' more than just a hobby.

How about a supplying a list of 'safe', cost effective alternatives to the most common chemicals we use today? Names of these, estimated cost and supplier details would be most practical.

Without these we will keep doing what we have always done!

No doubt you would like us to buy these (from you!)

Until then, Round up and I will remain the best of freinds.

Thats probably a catch 22.

Organic Horticulture and Organic Agriculture is the use of sustainable techniques using no or limited chemicals.

So to write in an "Organic Forum" one needs to talk in some way about the use, miss-use and over-use of chemicals.

I say this openly, not directing it at any individual but at the Horticulture & Agriculture industry as a whole - The Industry has for some time been hasty in its approach to using chemicals (particularly glyphosate) because its effective, its relatively cheap and it allows the user the ability to get in get the job done and get out. "Wham! Bam! Thank You Sam - Next!"

In many ways, laziness has crept into the Hort & Ag Industries. Bigger farms and the Search for a Bigger pay check with minimal extra work are closer to the top of the list of priorities than an individuals health or environmental effects.

Many i have spoken face to face with have said "Its safe enough to drink" or "Nothings happened to me yet" - Meanwhile... Mum has bad excema, dad has bowel cancer, grandma has facial numbness, uncle has severe heart palpatations [insert any loved ones medical problem here] and we deny that the use of chemicals in our daily lives have anything to do with it or approach it with an "Well what do you do" attitude.

I am reminded of the old guy sitting in the pub. He lights up a smoke and the young guy sitting next to him says "Those things will kill you ya know", to which he replies... "Bull**** [cough] [cough], they haven't [cough], done anything [wheeze], to me [cough] [cough] and i've been [wheeze] smoking since i was a [cough] kid!"

We all have circumstances that require us to do the best we can with what we've got. No one person can direct any fault at any one individual for doing the best they can to support themselves and their families, but as an industry its way past time we stopped looking for the easiest and cheapest way out and begin looking at the consequences.

To answer your questions,

1. I have found the best chemical to eradicate weeds is, sweat.

2. Is Organics my "Bug Bear"... probably. Depends on your definition. But as a good friend always says...

"Practice what you passion".

3. Buy Chemicals from me... lol No. I have nothing to sell.

[glassngrass]

The Industry has for some time been hasty in its approach to using chemicals (particularly glyphosate) because its effective, its relatively cheap and it allows the user the ability to get in get the job done and get out. "Wham! Bam! Thank You Sam - Next!"

In many ways, laziness has crept into the Hort & Ag Industries. Bigger farms and the Search for a Bigger pay check with minimal extra work are closer to the top of the list of priorities than an individuals health or environmental effects.
...
I am reminded of the old guy sitting in the pub. He lights up a smoke and the young guy sitting next to him says "Those things will kill you ya know", to which he replies... "Bull**** [cough] [cough], they haven't [cough], done anything [wheeze], to me [cough] [cough] and i've been [wheeze] smoking since i was a [cough] kid!"

We all have circumstances that require us to do the best we can with what we've got. ... as an industry its way past time we stopped looking for the easiest and cheapest way out and begin looking at the consequences.

1. I have found the best chemical to eradicate weeds is, sweat.

Five or ten minute spray of grass/weeds in paths, borders and garden beds - $10.
Elbow grease for same - $$$ ?

The customer dictates to a large extent what we do for them. I would make HEAPS if I weeded all my customers properties by hand regularly - I wouldn't need to mow! Use of glyphosate isn't laziness on my part, but the cheap and easy option our customers choose - they WANT "Wham! Bam! Thank You Sam "- Stop the clock and calulate the bill - not half their take home on weeding!

Roundup has been found to be highly deadly to tadpoles ... possible cause for the decline in frog species ... acutely toxic to fish etc..
Anybody spraying this stuff in wetlands, rivers, lakes, etc... should be strung up by the 'nurries'. As professionals we should behave in a responsible manner and use sparingly - not to 'nuke the place!' like many DIY's with their Mitre 10 pre-mixed spray packs!

Yes, when it gets to the point this stuff gets banned, THEN the customer will feel the consequences of THEIR choices, until then, this remains the choice of favor among most of them!

A bit like smoking - many don't see the need to stop until advanced stages of emphysemia and they physically can't draw in (and still deny there is a problem!)

By the way, do you smoke?

[lifestyle]

Five or ten minute spray of grass/weeds in paths, borders and garden beds - $10.
Elbow grease for same - $$$ ?

Customer says to me ... can you spray the weeds in my path. I say no i don't spray chemicals. But i can salt them for you for half the price anyone could spray them. $2.50 worth of salt - Half hour of time. Customer pays. She's happy. I'm happy.

The customer dictates to a large extent what we do for them. I would make HEAPS if I weeded all my customers properties by hand regularly - I wouldn't need to mow! Use of glyphosate isn't laziness on my part, but the cheap and easy option our customers choose - they WANT "Wham! Bam! Thank You Sam "- Stop the clock and calulate the bill - not half their take home on weeding!

I don't offer spraying as an option to my customers. Many say they got me to do the job because i don't use chemicals.

Roundup has been found to be highly deadly to tadpoles ... possible cause for the decline in frog species ... acutely toxic to fish etc..
Anybody spraying this stuff in wetlands, rivers, lakes, etc... should be strung up by the 'nurries'. As professionals we should behave in a responsible manner and use sparingly - not to 'nuke the place!' like many DIY's with their Mitre 10 pre-mixed spray packs!

The industry is full of butchers who couldn't give a shi.t

Yes, when it gets to the point this stuff gets banned, THEN the customer will feel the consequences of THEIR choices, until then, this remains the choice of favor among most of them!

There's PLENTY of work available. The demand for Asbestos pretty soon dried up when its health effects were detected and the product regulated.

If operators keep providing the service, the demand will remain.

A bit like smoking - many don't see the need to stop until advanced stages of emphysemia and they physically can't draw in (and still deny there is a problem!)

Funny thing... the blindest people have 20/20 vision

By the way, do you smoke?

I Never have smoked.

I Never have drunk alcohol - When i have fun... i remember it

Like I always say... If you do what most people are doing, you'll get what most people have got, because nothing changes if nothing changes!

Or in the words of the great Ghandi... "Be the change you want to see in the world"

Shyte.. thats a bit heavy isn't it!!

[glassngrass]

Five or ten minute spray of grass/weeds in paths, borders and garden beds - $10.
Elbow grease for same - $$$ ?

... i can salt them for you for half the price anyone could spray them. $2.50 worth of salt - Half hour of time. Customer pays. She's happy. I'm happy.

You would do equivalent with $2.50 salt and half hour of time - for half of $10 ????
I don't think so!

[Bluey]

Acute health problems following unintentional exposure to glyphosate include:

● Eye Irritation
● Painful Eyes
● Burning Eyes
● Blurred Vision
● Swollen Eyes, Face And Joints
● Blisters
● Skin Rash
● Rapid Heartbeat
● Heart Palpitations
● High Blood Pressure
● Chest Pains
● Coughing
● Headache
● Nausea
● Facial Numbness
● Burning Sensation On Skin
● Itchy Skin
● Tingling Skin
● Recurrent Eczema
● Fatigue
● Breathing Problems

Bloody hell...they put Glyphosate in red wine

[lifestyle]

Bloody hell...they put Glyphosate in red wine

Thats similar to the "Well what do you do" attitude i was referring to. Thanks for the example.

[glassngrass]

I was reflecting on some of the discussions I have enjoyed on the Indi Forum over the years, and this one would have to be right up there.
If ya got a spare hour, have some fun and a laugh reviewing this thread from the start.
But it's more than fun - it does get you to think about your own stand with chemical use.
Enjoy

[BSD]

I made one boo boo in my pest control days, 1988- 2001, i did not flush my tank properly and the residue left was enough to stuff up the gardens on the next 2-3 jobs, i pleaded WTF?........do not use herbicdes or anything with roundup or glyso, keep it seperate, great chemical, on its own.UOTE=glassngrass;121689]I was reflecting on some of the discussions I have enjoyed on the Indi Forum over the years, and this one would have to be right up there.
If ya got a spare hour, have some fun and a laugh reviewing this thread from the start.
But it's more than fun - it does get you to think about your own stand with chemical use.
Enjoy[/QUOTE]

[Bluey]

I can see where this will work but we all cant set up like you have GW. Plus access to all area could be a problem for you. Time is money for most of us and we need something that is quick, reliable and easy to use.