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    Quote Originally Posted by 4 Gardens View Post
    there is an address on the website

    A. 2 Ericksen St,
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    Maybe a few so called scam lawn mowing business could lob up and give him a few free quotes or at least a few leaflets.

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    Now lets see. If you engage in any way with ol Joe mow here you are signing up for the following terms and conditions. I don't expect anyone to read this by the way. Just making my point. In particular take note of this 'By submitting such information, you grant us the right to provide the information to third parties for purposes of facilitating the completion of Purchases'. This guy is collecting customers info and passing it on. Apologies again for the long post but I reckon it is worth posting here to show these jokers that not everyone is a gullible ****ing idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveo View Post
    Maybe a few so called scam lawn mowing business could lob up and give him a few free quotes or at least a few leaflets.
    This fella is the middle man!! Dont know what his cut is, have not looked into it

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    Quote Originally Posted by South East Mowing View Post
    This fella is the middle man!! Dont know what his cut is, have not looked into it
    In the terms and conditions

    Minimum charge including first hour of work (inc GST)
    $66.00

    Additional charge per minute of work following the the initial hour (inc GST)
    $1.10

    Total job time is calculated from the time the contractor begins preparing equipment to perform the works, until such time as all equipment is reloaded following completion of the job.
    Mower rates

    The rate paid to mowing contractors using the Joe Mow App is calculated as:

    Minimum rate including first hour of work (ex GST)
    $45.00

    Additional rate per minute of work following the the initial hour (ex GST)
    $0.75


    So his cut is $21.00 minimum and then 35 cents per minute after 1st hour
    Anything Ian says may or may not be garbage, it may also be his own opinion or it may not be his opinion at all, it may just be something he felt like stating anyone following his advice does so at their own risk and may be doing something Ian would actually advise against.
    And if you don't like what Ian has to say use the ignore function if you don't know how ask i will gladly tell you

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    His cut is 31%.
    Don't know why any contractor would want to go work for $45 hr and be a slave to his time schedule.
    After expenses, tax etc you have around $22.50 in your pocket so you'd be better off going to work for example Woolies and having holiday/ sick pay/ super included.
    $45hr was the going rate for mowing back in the early 2000's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post

    The rate paid to mowing contractors using the Joe Mow App is calculated as:

    Minimum rate including first hour of work (ex GST)
    $45.00

    Additional rate per minute of work following the the initial hour (ex GST)
    $0.75


    So his cut is $21.00 minimum and then 35 cents per minute after 1st hour
    No...

    Client pays $60 + GST
    Contractor gets $45 + GST
    Middle-man cut is $15 pus GST - essentially, a quarter - 25%

    The actual payment goes to the middleman who forwards 75% to contractor - plus GST only IF they are registered for GST.

    I understand the privacy provisions. Your arrangement is with middleman, but they are just ensuring your consent to pass on your name, address, phone....
    Most the rest appears needless but-covering that likely isn't even enforceable. eg. services must be as described, to appropriate standard, and priced as quoted/agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GardeningSolutions View Post
    His cut is 31%.
    Don't know why any contractor would want to go work for $45 hr and be a slave to his time schedule.
    After expenses, tax etc you have around $22.50 in your pocket so you'd be better off going to work for example Woolies and having holiday/ sick pay/ super included.
    $45hr was the going rate for mowing back in the early 2000's.
    Because for many that sounds like a good earn when someone else can get the phone ringing.
    No upfront money to pay franchisers, no advertising. The jobs they rock up to are likely not to be your top end clients so won't need a professional finish.
    Sounds like a perfect match for some!!!!

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    ‘GoBlitz’ powered by the Jim’s group!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by South East Mowing View Post
    ‘GoBlitz’ powered by the Jim’s group!!!!!
    I dont understand? Do you sign up and then just end up 'competing' against Jims?

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    you sign up and make Penman a little more richer......




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    Quote Originally Posted by Redeye View Post
    you sign up and make Penman a little more richer......
    You have hit the nail on the head redeye as usual. You should charge for advice, that's what Jim would do. Actually Jim would start a franchise and then sell the franchise and call it 'Jims Advice' or 'Uber advice' and I'm not ****ing kidding either.

    BTW I love it how you can swear on this forum and it modifies your writing. It's a bit ****ing creepy really.

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    it sh1ts me too




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    On a more serious note. There are more and more attempts to completely wipe out the mowing industry (just have a look at some of the recent examples on this forum) by doing what Uber has done to Taxi drivers. Never understimate the number of blood sucking parasite investors out there willing to invest in apps or methods to reap more profit from the worker. I have no doubt it will happen. Just a matter of time before you can punch in a lawn mowing request in to your app and some geezer (maybe your neighbour or a chinese student turns up with an Aldi's mower, without a trailer, insurance thinking $20/hr is the best money his ever going to get. There is money to be saved by using contract labour that has no insurance, no reputation to uphold and no idea what it costs to run a business. That is where it is heading.

    And if you think people will object to wiping out all the small businesses think again because 99% of the people have no objections to hoping in with an Uber driver.

    I don't post on here much anymore becuase I have become a cynical old prick. When you open your eyes and see what is really going on it ain't pretty my friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveo View Post
    On a more serious note. There are more and more attempts to completely wipe out the mowing industry (just have a look at some of the recent examples on this forum) by doing what Uber has done to Taxi drivers. Never understimate the number of blood sucking parasite investors out there willing to invest in apps or methods to reap more profit from the worker. I have no doubt it will happen. Just a matter of time before you can punch in a lawn mowing request in to your app and some geezer (maybe your neighbour or a chinese student turns up with an Aldi's mower, without a trailer, insurance thinking $20/hr is the best money his ever going to get. There is money to be saved by using contract labour that has no insurance, no reputation to uphold and no idea what it costs to run a business. That is where it is heading.

    And if you think people will object to wiping out all the small businesses think again because 99% of the people have no objections to hoping in with an Uber driver.

    I don't post on here much anymore becuase I have become a cynical old prick. When you open your eyes and see what is really going on it ain't pretty my friends.
    Mate great post and I too are very much the same ..cynical old prick..i am old and thank god i am at the end of my gardening career ( well another few years left in me ) as to start out now in my area you wouldn't get it off the ground with these companies ...first page of google search is full of them at 20 to 30 bucks an hour ..look at any facebook buy swap and sell forum..anytime someone wants a lawn mowed they post it up for recommendations and you wouldn't believe how many so called contractors pop up...the other day some asked for lawns and they got 15 responses .....
    For busy suburbs its tough for sure ...a someone posted before why would you work for 45 bucks an hour where you can stack shelves get super and holiday pay....yes John( SE mowing ) it might suit some but they will not survive for the long run....

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    agree 100%.....just browse the other forum - half the so called contractors are johnny-come-latelys'




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